Cliven Bundy is not a wall fan.
A hero to some in the right-hand due to his family's family stalls with the US government, Nevada's franchise is a prominent supporter of Donald Trump. But there is one big issue where they disappear.
"I really question his doctrine ever since he started building a wall," said Bundy, 72, at the Guardian on Wednesday. "I do not like walls. I think we can come together with neighbors … The Trump wall had never sat very well with me."
The Bundy family receives renewal coverage this week as unexpected critics of the president's anti-immigrant agenda after the US has cut a bulk in migrants, including children, on the Mexican border. Objections of the Bundy men – who were imprisoned for nearly two years and celebrated by anti-government militia – added to the list of voices that complain Trump condemned for his assault on migrants and # 39; n seeking asylum.
Cliven and Amon and Ryan's sons were prosecuted for a long time after their family's long-term refusal to pay grazing fees for their Nevada cattle, which extended to armed conflict with their factory in 2014. In 2016, the two sons continued their protests of federal government's regulatory and government land to keepers with the transfer of national wildlife asylum from Oregon, which ended in mass arrests.
In astonishing wins for the family and their supporters, US prosecutors failed to convict the Bundys in both cases, and Trump later followed by two Oregon lovers whose imprisonment has triggered & # 39 ; r refuge refusal.
Despite the connections between the White House and the correct causes of Bundy, Ammon surprised some of his followers on Tuesday with a long Facebook video challenging some of the president's posts and expressing sympathy to migrants who tried go to the US.
Ammon criticized conspiracy hypotheses about the emigrants who claimed that they "are all a crew of terrorists," saying: "That's a carbage crew." He also acknowledged that the migrants of violence fled: "The conditions in Honduras are factually horrible … of the refugees have witnessed that they have lost a husband or mother or sibling or a child or a # 39 ; u have been threatened. "
He said that some anti-immigrant arguments were "based on fear" and "self-based".
After arriving at the phone, Cliven said he agreed with some of his son's arguments.
"Are they good people or bad people? If they're a good people looking for a refuge, we are Americans and we should have a heart and we should try and help them," he said. , identifying the excavations that some have probably taken. "How much suffering and effort do they put to reach our border? They have some freedom and freedom and a better life."
However, Cliven said it was "hard to say what the truth" was and referring to ineligible reports that migrants could earn payments to be part of the caravan. Trump and other Republicans have repeated unfounded claims that Democrats fund migrants, and Ammon acknowledged these fictitious on the "conservative side".
Cliven said he believed that migrants should have the opportunity to apply for asylum.
"Are they really refugees or are they really offenders … … We need to settle down and solve," he said. "We can take care of a couple of people for a few days."
Cliven emphasized that national boundaries and sovereignty were important to him and that the use of weapons could be justified in some cases: "That is the United States position to protect our borders. If they have to use teargas, I hope not to do not have them, and I hope they would not do it. "
The Bundys are Mormons, and they were referred to the father and son faith in their commentary about migrants.
"We are a kind of world church. We believe that all the people on this earth are Heavenly Fathers children," said Cliven, stating that Mexican members of the Mormon church. "We believe we're equal, and we are treated equally and we will not be split".
Cliven said he also thought that the proposed Trump boundary wall, a sign part of the 2016 campaign, would be largely unemployed.
"They can not build a wall to stop people … I do not think he's going to do anything good," he added, adding, "We have an obligation between the two countries to deal with each other, and we are neighbors … Those refugees who are remote to the south, I believe we have to deal with them. I am not think they're so big a problem. "
In a separate interview, Ryan said he was talking to Ammon before his Facebook video and expressed support to his brother, adding, "The United States of America has always been called a melting pot. time has been a place for immigration. Apart from Native Americans, we are all immigrants. "
But he added, "That does not mean everyone can only fight the border. There's still a process that needs to be maintained."
The long barriers of the Bundys in prison may also have influenced them a bit unique politics.
Cliven, who was caught in a camera in 2014 referred to black Americans as "the snow", and questioned whether they were "better off as slaves", said he had learned a lot about the unfairness of the US prison system.
"There is a fairly good percentage of people who should not be in prison," he said. "They make money from prisoners … Bureaucracy is in place of justice system."
He said American high-ranking prisoners were pleased: "We are supposed to be a freed country in the world … I had a prison with thousands of thousands. I've seen many good people there. & # The most smart people in this nation are to be imprisoned in their prisons. "
He said he received a lot of "negative response" in his video video that he had received a lot of "negative response" for his position on refugees, including threats of violence: "Many people wanted me to die and others wished the militia never came to help my family so that the government would kill us. "