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Passau. The crossbow play Passau continues to cause. On Saturday, 11 May, the police have been in a pension Passau find three dead. There were arrows in the body of two women and men, and two crossbows were lying next to the bodies.

Two days later, the researchers in the flat discovered one of the dead in Wittingen near Gifhorn in Lower Saxony, two other bodies. The result of the introductory autopsy has brought first light to the darkness.

Meanwhile, grotesque details of the life of the dead and the "Guru" Torsten W. (53) come to the view. The collapse of the scene reveals alarming details about his terrible reign.

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Tuesday, May 21st

11:29: "There is no evidence of the inclusion of the group in the SM subculture," said criminal psychologist Lydia Benecke in conversation with DER WESTEN. Recently the media had guessed that Thorsten W. († 53) and the women killed in the SM scene were traveling.

In her research, she found no evidence that the dead were active in the subculture SM, a Cologne criminal psychologist. "Whether sexual fantasies play a role, or that it is a particular kind of related violence in a group that does not necessarily have to be associated with multiple sexual fantasy, it will still need to be considered objectively."

09.48 clock: In the middle of last week, the 53-year-old Thorsten W. flat was searched at the Westerwald. "The evaluation of the secure objects is not yet complete. And that will take some time," said Hildesheim's prosecutor opposite "WAZ-online".

The spokesman did not wish to give any information about further investigations pending as a result of the autopsy of the female bodies.

Sunday, 19 May

09:16: Thorsten W. († 53) is said to have given it a high psychological pressure. Believing his former student martial arts Nils Konrad (42), he claims to have made the jump from the scene by his wife and his only child, he shouldn't. guru has been alone for power, but also for money.

At the RTL interview, it is claimed that Thorsten W. in the past has gone into the accounts of the martial arts club members. Again, money has disappeared in the club.

According to him, Thorsten W. had made it absolutely clear that he was getting money: "When you say there is nothing left, what you could get, what you could get, then you have had quite a strict interpretation, that you must somehow watch that you get rid of the money ", quoting the television channel Nils Konrad.

The scenes have taken many loans under mental pressure and physical violence. In the end, he had to register a personal bankruptcy. Why did he not show the guru's suspicious activities, he did not betray the man.

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Ex-student reveals details of Thorsten W. († 53)

14:51: What happened exactly in the pension room in Passau and what role Thorsten W. (53) played is still unclear. However, there are more and more frightening details about the life of the alleged guru coming to the obvious. Now one of our former martial arts students has asked for an RTL interview. Nils Konrad (42) claims to have spent 15 years alongside Thorsten W., to be one of his closest friends.

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Like Carina's death (19), Nils Konrad was fascinated by Thorsten W. "I followed him," said Nils Konrad. Mental pressure then increased rapidly. Thorsten W. said that he had threatened shots to force his will. Threats against family members of his loyalty were also common.

According to Nils Konrad, according to Nils Konrad, Thorsten W. often heard hearing from the guru mouth treating women with women: "The place of a woman is at the foot of her husband."

09.40 clock: The cause of death of the two women in Wittingen is still unclear. The investigations continue.

After evaluating the remains in the crime scene in Passau, however, the event in the pension room is almost undoubtedly. First a 30-year-old child should have Thorsten W. (53) and his partner (33) and then kill himself with a crossbow.

So far, there is no evidence of alcohol or drug use. But according to the "Frankfurter Allgemeine" doubts increase. If the events in Passau have happened as the researchers have outlined, it seems very amazing that everyone involved could go through the t procedure is silent. Above all, the behavior of the alleged archer seems remarkable. She would have reloaded after a previous investigation several times, and then to shoot at a close range on the parties. Cruel idea. And without the influence of drugs is possible? Difficult to imagine

Therefore, "histological checks" should provide clues to see whether the trio had taken non-prohibited substances such as NpS (new psychoactive substances).

Friday, May 17th

Clock8: Carina, 19, was one of the two dead women in Wittingen. At 16 she is said to have met Torsten W. Now the deceased's parents accuse former teacher Carina.

Family detective Rolf Will told his parents that Torsten W. and other women lived together on a farm. So Will reports on the relationship of women with Torsten W. in the RTL documentary: "They all had to cut their bare heads at the same time. They had to brush the joints with toothbrushes. the whole ".

Ironically, a friend, former teacher Carina, has brought the girl to the scene. Phillip W. recommended the girl to the fighting studio, where he met Torsten W. from the end.

16:21 clock: On Wednesday, the researchers searched the house of 53 people killed in Passau. As the public prosecutor Hildesheim announced on Thursday, the man from the Borod in Rhineland-Palatinate was in recognition of the two women who were found dead in Lower Saxony.

The search was ordered to find more evidence for it. A number of pieces of evidence were obtained.

On Thursday, the Passau prosecution announced new details about the weapons found in the pension.

It is not about medieval wooden crossings, but said modern sports or leisure weapons, a prosecutor spokesman. The smaller two are about half a meter long, the largest 80 cm to one meter.

1:45 pm: The man could only have won the three women's trust, the criminal psychologist Lydia Benecke said the Focus. He may have used that later for his purposes.

However, it cannot be deduced, that he was the head of the group. There are countless variations, as the power connections in the group really look. For the further investigation each would have to be considered.

11.30 am: The criminal psychologist Lydia Benecke considers it to be "absolutely premature", based on the current facts to guess that the victims may be active in the BDSM or SM scene. Some media had made this connection between the people and the law.

The quotes would only refer to statements from neighbors and would not be sufficient for collections of this kind.

8:33: Many people kill themselves and others from the same group – that's what Rudolf Egg Kriminalpsychologe describes to the Bild newspaper as "unusual". We see similarities to sect-like structures in this case, because "there is a distinct personality and other people who are inferior to it. That may be similar in this group."

So the leader would have a charismatic personality and would attract the attention of certain people. So maybe the girls: They may just, they had low self-esteem and they liked to downgrade themselves.

Thursday, May 16th

16:53: Many questions remain open in the strange case. As a prosecution spokesman, Passau said, these questions should also be explained: "What is the fact, what rumor, what is distress?"

Clock 16.07: In the TV documentary RTL on the crossbow murders, “How our daughter fell into the Guru clutter” spoke to private researcher Rolf Will about the relationship of a young woman (19) to the Torsten W t 53 years old. a woman missing for years. Years ago, the detective was hired by the parents as Torsten W. took control of the girl.

Torsten W. at the martial arts club was recognized by 19 year olds

They are said to have met at a martial arts club, tell the parents of the 19-year-old Carina who has died. "He had turned away from her family," said the detective. "She was treated to get her parents to appear," Will said. Our unpacked relationship is strange. The girls, for example, should cut a bald head, brushed the joints with toothbrushes and their introduction, he had heard.

It is said that the deaths were anchored in the scene from the Middle Ages, took part in a knight's fight. Torsten W. is said to have operated a medieval shop. They should have lived back, also telling neighbors in the document. What was in their will but standing, found near the crime scene, wanted to tell the police.

The 19-year-old was one of the two bodies found at Wittingen, two days after the cross-legged murders in Passau, where Torsten W. and two other women (30 and 33 years old) died.

15:05: The case is likely to occupy the experts even longer. Several reports were commissioned. Among other things, as reported, it should be clarified whether it is even possible to kill itself with a crossbow. For the researchers assume that a 30-year-old child must kill himself with the last weapon.

Lydia Benecke's criminal psychologist in the RTL documentary: "Statistically, transplantation is rare when it comes to suicide. But this is a special case anyway … If they had a lot of experience with cross crosses and that they have a lot to do with it in everyday life, then that can be an explanation ready for their choice as a means. "

10 o'clock: The police have now searched the 53-year-old dead flat. According to current information, the man and the two women aged 19 and 35, who had been found dead in Wittingen on Monday, were known to each other.

"So far, there are no signs that another third person, who was not previously known, was involved in the incident," the police said.

Officials found "much evidence," as they say. Their evaluation will take "not trivial".

Last Saturday, the 53-year-old and 33-year-old women were found in a pension in Passau. There were arrows in the bodies, and the police discovered three armed forces nearby. Two days later, the police discovered two dead women in Wittingen – a woman died flat from Passau.

Wednesday, 15 May


It can take another two or three weeks to complete the investigation into the issue of the five killed. Then a final report is expected, a spokesman for Passau prosecutor said on Wednesday.

In Wittingen, Lower Saxony, the researchers continue to work intensively on the cause. The cause of death of the two girls found on Monday was still unknown. So far unclear so far is the motivation for the whole event.

"That's absolutely in the dark," said the prosecutor's spokesman. Previously, the trio stayed in Austria, where he bought at least one of the three crosses. This is proof receipt to ensure.


Is there a message behind the crossbow play? This is what the psychologist Ruth Belzner is talking about. If the deaths in Passau and Wittingen are a joint suicide and so have to be planned, the reasons for this are very different, the chairman of the Protestant Conference for Telephone Chaplaincy said in an interview with & # The "Welt": "Maybe the Readiness to take this last step if you do it with each other. It's easier to subjectively to them," Belzner said.

Above all, choosing the crossbow as a murder weapon was a sign of a message, perhaps to bereaved people: "I would guess that it was a sign to send and not just to go."


Still lose any motive for the alleged suicide in Passau and Wittingen. Information about the background of the deaths could arise from the past of those involved. Therefore, according to information from "Focus Online" already between 2015 and 2018, suicide in the 53-year-old environment has given. From this, it is likely that a younger man was a member of an affected martial arts group. The exact backgrounds are unclear.

Clock 11.10:

The link between the two cases in Passau and Wittingen sees the researchers so far in a registered civil partnership. Thus, the alleged archer of Passau (30) lived along with the 35-year-old boy who was found dead in Wittingen.

When the 35-year-old primary school teacher was to find out about her partner's death, she was already dead, just like a 19-year-old girl, who was probably missing for a long time. Unlike the scene of crime in Passau, no crosswords or other weapons were found in Wittingen. As the police proclaimed Gifhorn, no evidence of violence or foreign influence was discovered. A sign talking about suicide. However, this is certainly not even after the first autopsy on Tuesday afternoon. So the exact cause of death is still unclear. However, it is clear that the two girls have already died for several days.


53-year-olds were right at the same time as many women

From the life of the 53-year-old boy killed in the meantime bring strange details to light. It is said to the former owner of a medieval shop in Hachenburg (Rhineland-Palatinate), according to information about the "Bild" with several women, including the 33-year-old, who was found hand in bed.

Furthermore, the newspaper reports that the 53-year-old had lived with three women on a farm in Wietze (Lower Saxony). The landlord talks about cruel scenes. The man had ordered the women roughly around: "In short compulsory sentences: 'Did you clean up too? But the women's body language was stuck, going down. orders, "said landlord of the" Bild ". The women would have followed his orders as slaves.

09.48 clock

Police puzzle about a critical question

The results of an autopsy of Passau have given an initial insight into the drama course and the crossbow. The researchers assume joint suicide. But above all, one question remains: why? The motivation of community suicide so far is completely unclear. In the pension room in Passau, the researchers have found two wills. Their content could shed light on the subject.

New insights, however, have the identity of one of the dead women († 19) of Wittingen. As "RTL" refers to researchers, it is likely to operate in the 19-year-old who are missing teenagers. Their parents reported in an interview that their daughter had met those killed in a 53-year-old Passau in a martial arts club. A little later, the connection with the family was cut off.

Tuesday, May 14th


There are still many questions about cross Passs arch play. It is unclear, on the one hand, how the case relates directly to the women who died in Gifhorn, Lower Saxony. In addition, the circumstances of the death of both girls are not yet clear.

The result of the autopsy of Gifhorn remains outstanding. According to the police, there were no crossbones found on the body's premises, unlike the case in Passau.

The Prosecutor's Office presumes suicide


The researchers have evaluated the main traces of the crossbow play in Passau. The result: The police and prosecutors are taking suicide. There are still no signs that a fourth person might have been involved in the event, he said on Tuesday, a spokesperson for the Passau's prosecutor's office.

The body's autopsy of Passau revealed that a 53-year-old man and a 33-year-old woman were lying in hand in a bed shot to the heart. In a 30-year-old man from Wittingen, who lay on the floor in the room, a blow in the throat was immediately fatal. It all suggests that the 30-year-old man shot the other two first and then himself. One could also consider the incident as an extended suicide.


An autopsy revealed: a husband and wife killed by a heart attack

On Tuesday, the researchers presented the preliminary autopsy result. According to a prosecution spokesman in Passau, on Tuesday, the man was killed with the wife, who was lying in a bed with each other, by a blow in the heart. The 30-year-old, lying in the room on the floor, was shot dead in the throat.

The two bodies in the bed were pierced with more arrows, which, according to the findings, had just shot down after the fatal blows in the heart. None of the three bodies had fighting or defense signs.

In addition, two tassels were found in the pension room, which came from the two people lying in bed, the spokesman said. The main question now is how valid the documents found at the funeral home are. The exact circumstances of a death remain unclear.

Monday, May 13:


One possible reason for the crossbows is certainly a murder weapon. Passau's public prosecutor's office confirms to BILD's newspaper that the three people who died of Passau are members of the knight's club. It is claimed that they all bought the crossbreds in Austria and that they were on their way back.


The Kripo Passau does not assume that more people are part of the crime.


The other two bodies found on Monday in Lower Saxony are two women who died.

New detail brings more light to the thing: One of the two daughters is said to have been the life partner of the 30-year-old woman, who was found dead next Saturday to a man 33 aged 54 and a man in a pension in Passau, so the police.

A neighbor describes the alleged dead life partner as "funny", such as Allgemeine Zeitung (AZ) reports. She was always dressed in black, so “gothic-moderate”, the AY quoted the neighbor.

How the three dead people in Passau are still unknown.

3:14 pm:

New details for the three deaths in the crossbow Passau: The body of the 53-year-old man and the 33-year-old girl came hand in hand on the bed, according to public prosecutor Passau Walter Feiler.

The chief prosecutor was told about the 53-year-old and the 33-year-old man in a small town near Altenkirchen in the Westerwald in Rhineland-Palatinate, the 30-year-old in Wittingen, Lower Saxony. So far, according to the police, it's not clear in which relationship the three who had checked the Pension Passs on Friday agreed.


In connection with a crossbow case in Passau researchers have found two other bodies in Lower Saxony. The dead women have been found in the flat of one of the three victims in Wittingen in the Gifhorn area, a spokesperson for the office of the prosecutor Passau said on Monday.

On Saturday, two women (30 and 33 years old) and one man (53) were found in a Passau pension. The three had checked the day before. Next to the bodies were two crosswords, in a bag the police found a third crossbow.

There were arrows in the body of the dead. The man's body was extremely concerned: The arrow has been through his forehead and has pierced the head almost completely.


The 30-year-old woman, found dead in the Passau pension, was last reported in Wittingen (Gifhorn area). This was reported by the police.

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One that comes from the town, a police spokesman on Monday in Gifhorn didn't know. The 30-year-old girl was found on Saturday as well as a 53-year-old male and 33-year-old woman from Landin-Palatinate in a guest room in Passau. Researchers discovered crosswords among the dead.

10:54 am:

The police have published grisly details about the three bodies in a pension in Passau.

According to the body of the 53-year-old man and the 33-year-old girl from the country of Pfalin in a guest room in a bed. The 30-year-old man died from Lower Saxony lying on the ground. In addition, the researchers gave a third crossbow, which was still in a bag, said a spokesman for Lower Bavarian police. Previously, only two cross-arched weapons were mentioned.

An autopsy should provide further insight into the circumstances of death on Monday. The results should be available on Tuesday.

6 clock:

Two days after the discovery of three people who died in a pension in Passau the drama conditions are still unclear. At the beginning of the week, the autopsy of the bodies was planned, as the police announced at the weekend. It should provide information about the cause of death, among other things.

In a pension room, the workers had found the three dead hotels on Saturday, with arrows in their bodies. Researchers ensured two crosswords. There are no signs of other people's involvement.

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The dead is a 53 year old man and two daughters aged 33 and 30 years. They are German citizens. The 53-year-old and 33-year-old are coming, according to researchers Rhineland-Palatinate, the 30-year-old man from Lower Saxony.

Sunday, May 12:

4:40 pm:

Two women were found and one man died on Saturday in a pension in Passau. There were arrows in their bodies which could come from a crossbow.

Two policemen were found near the dead by the police. What happened exactly in the pension in Passau, is not clear at this time. The police are standing in front of a ram.

The people in Passau are shaken – and at a loss. The pension in Passau is located on the edge of the forest, near the Ilz river. The host family does not want to comment on the three who have died. "No time", a local woman flocked and disappeared in the kitchen. On the floor above are the pension rooms. There, a young woman moves to the beds. Immediately her colleague rushes up, lifting her hands defensively. "We are not commenting on that." The two disappear into the ironing room.

"They can't help it," said a young woman who lifted a stroller out of the car in front of the pub. "Imagine you are the maid and find the bodies …" She's cut off in the middle of a sentence. "It's like a bad excitement," said her husband, shaking his head.

The dead is a 53 year old man and two daughters aged 33 and 30 years. They are German citizens. The 53-year-old and 33-year-old are coming, according to researchers Rhineland-Palatinate, the 30-year-old man from Lower Saxony. They had rented on the pension on Friday. The relationship between them was unclear. The investigation is ongoing.


The deaths of three people in a pension in Passau are puzzles: in the body of the man and the two daughters had found arrows, the researchers made two crossbows for sure.

The prosecution ordered the autopsy for the bodies, as the police communicated further on Sunday. Pension staff had discovered the dead in a room on Saturday. There are no signs that other people will be included according to the police.

What happened exactly on the pension in Passau is still unknown. Questions about whether two people could have shot each other or shot one person himself were still unanswered.

The dead is a 53 year old man and two daughters aged 33 and 30 years. They are German citizens.

The 53-year-old and the 33-year-old are coming, according to the researchers of Rhineland-Palatinate, the 30-year-old of Lower Saxony. They had rented on the pension on Friday. The relationship between them was unclear. The investigation is ongoing. The pension is surrounded by green on the edge of Passau on the Ilz river.

Saturday, May 11:

On Saturday, pension employees Passau find three bodies in one of the rooms.


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At 12 o'clock, the police were Passau informed. The police were also on site.

Passau: two women and one man have been found dead at the hotel

Two bodies (33 and 31) were the bodies, and one man (54). All three checked the pension the night before.

In the room, two police crosses were also secured.

At the moment, it is still unclear what the three people died. It is also unclear as to the relationship the people stood together. (pen / ak / DPA)

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